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Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

Last post 06-16-2006, 2:57 PM by KevThunder. 27 replies.
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  •  6/13/2006 12:46:41 AM 780647 in reply to 780623

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    He won't. He'll either avoid it, or just make more remarks like it. D:

    ...My wings were just so tasty.


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  •  6/13/2006 10:06:07 AM 780667 in reply to 780647

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    no I wont I just dont feel like fighting a stranger who could be a 40 year old living in his moms basement disguised as a 15 year old girl....*sigh* I dont give a rats ass what science or religon say I myself belive this so go ahead and keep talking you dont know me or where I come from I hate gays for a reason and it really doesnt have to be a reason I just dont like them so I dont care what you say to me your just another smart mouth who is wasteing my precious oxegyn.....*sigh*
    do not worry about getting into that tanning bed melonoma is just a scientific word for sexified
  •  6/13/2006 10:32:27 AM 780675 in reply to 780667

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    *ignores comment about her age*

    Hon, I'm not attacking you, and I just wanted to hear your side, without bringing religion into it, which is what I thought you were doing. You don't want to argue, fine with me, I just think it's a bit silly to hate something without reason, so I was curious as to why you think homosexuality is "wrong".

    And frankly, between the two of us, I'd say you're the one wasting my oxygen. No arguments about me being a smartmouth though. Smile [:)]


    I swear, now you're just doing it to piss me off.
  •  6/13/2006 1:16:27 PM 780687 in reply to 780675

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    fluffy-mittens, please try to keep your discussion civil..

    ..and as for the topic at hand, I dont have any problem with gay people, even though I dont support everything the gay activist groups are pushing for, I treat them the same way I'd treat any other person.



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  •  6/13/2006 1:39:37 PM 780688 in reply to 780675

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    First I thought the animousity was towards me, then I realized the post after mine had been deleted, so I found it, read it, ok, glad not to have phoenix mad at me :) 

      I don't think he can defend his point of view without throwing down a bible because it involved hell.  And since hell is a biblical subject "kinda", he really wouldn't be able to.

    I think people should feel free to hate anyone and everyone they want.  I like to think that no matter how much one side is hated, they should still have the right to exist as long as they aren't going out of their way to harm those around them.  Of course those kinds of things start getting hard to determine sometimes. 

    An example: I believe in the right for video games, tv shows, etc to be as incredibly violent imagineable, have as much sexual references as can be, etc.  But what if it were proved 100% that if such violence and sex were 100% removed from our society by some magic wand that our kids would end up growing up to be calmer, more mature people.  If that were the case, what would be the value of still allowing sex and violence in our media?  Keep in mind I don't believe people would be much different since I think its the fact that we are over-intelligent, hierarchal group-oriented primates, but I'm just giving an example.

    If it was found that more gays/lezbians in society resulted in a larger percentage of children growing up to be homosexual, what does that mean to us as a society?  Maybe nothing, especially to homosexuals who often would be happy by that result.  But logically, if you have 1 son, are you going to be happy by the increased possibility that your genetic lineage is going to die off? 

    People often say things like "if homosexuality was genetic, it would have been bred out long ago, so it must be society".  Those people are overlooking the fact that many nobility throughout history looked at women as a way to procreate and men as a way to have pleasure (not sure how that can be, would think it would be the reverse except men can't be used for procreation, which just leaves us with everyone should be worshipping women, maybe it was the lack of good birth control back then).  In our current society its less likely than it was that a homosexual man will end up with a child.  Some people might respond to something like this with "our population is growing too fast, this isn't a problem", but they would be igoring the problem, which isn't whether "society" is growing too fast or not, its more likely to be the fear of their child not procreating.  Of course I don't know if arbitrary studies have been done like this, but it "seems" like there are more open homosexuals than there were, and before homosexuals were likely to try and pretend to have a normal family life and thus would continue the family line.

    So with that mentality, I can see the rising openness of homosexuality as being threatening on many levels (religious, personal fear, fear for family) to people, and some may be valid from their own perspective.

    Luckily for me, I have no intention to have children, I'm non-religious, and I'm only mildly homo-phobic (I like to think no more so than your average guy). ;)  For others, I don't think anyone has the right to try and say their fear,dislike, hatred, etc shouldn't be allowed to exist, its only acting on that fear,dislike, hatred that should be restricted/barred/prevented.

    After all, in America, if someone has the right to "be", "say", and "do" nearly anything that doesn't harm those around them or society in general, surely people can feel something as simple as an emotion in their own head without being told they aren't allowed to.


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  •  6/13/2006 2:56:30 PM 780705 in reply to 780688

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    My issue is that I can't scientifically rationalize the idea that homosexuality is wrong to myself, so quite frankly whenever people start talking about banning gay marriage and such, I feel like people are confusing their personal tastes with morality, and trying to inflict their values on people who just want to live their lives the way they want to. I just don't see how being gay is any more 'harmful' than dying single and never getting married, but you don't see people being forced to get married and have kids.

    I have no problem with hate, as long as it doesn't fuel violence. It kinda bothers me when people just have something for no reason, because I can't really understand it.

    Oh, and back to what you said about transsexuals. I don't beleive in a soul/spirit persay, but I do beleive that the brain/mind/psyche has a gender. And it doesn't always match up with the body's.


    I swear, now you're just doing it to piss me off.
  •  6/13/2006 4:19:45 PM 780711 in reply to 780705

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    Personally I'd rather eliminate any government recognition of marriage than have homosexuals be allowed to marry "officially".  I'm married, but I'm not Christian, and I don't need any formalized means of letting the government know that I intend to stay with the woman I'm with for the rest of my life.  I'm fully aware that all sorts of institutions have chosen to treat married people differently, and married people are taxed differently, but I think all of it is wrong, and generally unfair to single people.

    I think its funny that people don't think the government should interfere with people's decision to live the way they want to live, but yet want formal government approval of what started as a religious ceremony. 

    Switching back to transexuals, I can't believe that the psyche has a gender, it is just non-sensical to me.  If a woman likes to watch sports, work on her car, wear jeans, and loves having sex with her bf, that doesn't detract one iota from her "femaleness".  If a guy likes cooking, cleaning, and looking good it doesn't make him a woman.  A woman is a woman because of her physical anatomy, a guy the same.  So when someone says they were born in the wrong type of body, they aren't telling me they are a woman who likes to play football, weld, and get messy, because that wouldn't make them a man, to me that only means that they think they should have a penis instead of a vagina, and "that", to me is a psychological (possibly with a biological cause as most psychological problems can be) problem. 

    I mean I wish I could grow wings and fly, dream about it a lot, but I don't think I should have an operation for it.  Unless there is one, in which case where do I sign up? ;)


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  •  6/15/2006 1:00:58 PM 780889 in reply to 780711

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    okay without religon the only reason I dont like them is well lets say the world is blown up and the only people left on earth were 2 guys and girls all gay they would make love to eachother instead of repopulating the earth...(bad example) okay I dont like them because how can we keep man up to date if the same gender is having sex
    do not worry about getting into that tanning bed melonoma is just a scientific word for sexified
  •  6/15/2006 3:49:17 PM 780912 in reply to 780889

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    fluffy-mittens:
    okay without religon the only reason I dont like them is well lets say the world is blown up and the only people left on earth were 2 guys and girls all gay they would make love to eachother instead of repopulating the earth...(bad example) okay I dont like them because how can we keep man up to date if the same gender is having sex

    Uh, gays are like only 5% of the population... I dont think the world is in any danger of being depopulated due to homosexuality...



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  •  6/15/2006 4:29:28 PM 780919 in reply to 780912

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    If anything, the world needs to be depopulated a bit...
    I swear, now you're just doing it to piss me off.
  •  6/15/2006 4:53:25 PM 780923 in reply to 780919

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    There are two camps regarding population.  One side says we don't have enough population to maintain our various welfare states (with an ever increasing lifespan and decreasing amounts of children we won't be able to continue to give people free services in the future), the other side realizes the world would be better off with less people.

    Since I'm fairly conservative, I feel fairly comfortable in saying "cut out the free services as the population goes down".  Liberals of course generally want "more" free services, but then many liberals also tend to value the Earth more than human beings (the environmental types), which is pretty conflicting since free services require a growing population and a growing population is bad for the environment, but I'm sure they want both anyways. ;)


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  •  6/15/2006 5:23:04 PM 780937 in reply to 780923

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    Your forgetting the sensible liberals who realize MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES.
    I swear, now you're just doing it to piss me off.
  •  6/16/2006 2:57:43 PM 781004 in reply to 780937

    Re: Is being gay, lesbian or bi-sexual really an issue?

    Is homosexuality wrong ? A problem of being gay is that you most likely wont be able to have child naturaly. But it that wrong ? We commonly refer as wrong thing that affect other peoples badly. The fear is that homosexual might turn other people that would normaly have children into homosexual. But it would meen the becoming gay is possible and also bring the population growth debate. There is also parent that would like to have grant-children (That make me thing : what if we only feel the need to have child when we are too old to do so). The main argument to homosexuality being wrong is the childrens.

    Is homosexuality good ? The thing the allow homosexuality is to live your love if the one you love is the same sex as you. It's question of liberty.

    Is homosexuality genetical ? Homosexual have no child in most of cases, so we think that homosexuality should tend to destroy it-self. But I tink that our society have bugged the evolution law with the medecine and people that hid themselves from what they realy are. But I don’t think genetic can explain all the homosexual.

    Can we become homosexual ? I think that we are all a bit bi-sexual when we born and depending of who we feel we feel attracted first, we choose our final oriantation. We are too complex to say the we are this or that, we have tendencies yes but those can be affect by our environement. The rest is just statistics.

    bi-sexual : A reason why we choose a side instead of simply say we are bi-sexual is to stay faithfull to our love or is't memory.a another reason would be the kind of war that is between homos and homophobic the drag people people to choose a side. Bi does not restrain themselves to anything and that what a respect.

    Transexuals : Our technologie are not advanced enough for this being good. But mayby in the futur.

    Gender mind : I don’t tink that it is black and white nor that male and female are oposite went it come to the mind. There are people the are a lot male and female, others that are nor male or female, some are just female, some are just male.

    Population growth : Okay there is a bit too many people on earth but I don’t tink that lowering birthrate is a good thing. Having a good birthrate and us fearing less death would be better. That make a another debate : is it better having a hi birthrate and a hi dying rate or both being low?

    So let see :
    I don’t like gays but I find lesbians cool (because I'm a guy?) I prefer hetero but being bi-sexual seem to be the best logical choice (only logicaly).



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