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Story: Jan 12

Last post 01-14-2005, 6:05 AM by Ryvaken Tadrya. 22 replies.
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  •  1/11/2005 9:56:54 PM 500415

    Story: Jan 12

    I'm horribly impatient.

    Anyway, it's up to Elliot?

    Hmm...my guess is that he'll go along with it, because he (like most of the cast) has a soft spot for Grace, and, of course, to please his sister.
  •  1/11/2005 10:00:23 PM 727633 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    This is slowly going nowhere. We have some solid speculating under our feet and no answers, no new information, not even new questions. This is limbo!
    Six inches of cute brooding war hero.
  •  1/11/2005 10:15:11 PM 727562 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    *cue the calypso music* limbo...limbo....limbo....how low can you go?.....sorry, it's been one of those days...

  •  1/12/2005 12:20:33 AM 727090 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    calypso music is great for parties. my vote is he'll say yes. If only to make grace happy.
  •  1/12/2005 8:49:25 AM 731649 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    Yeah you do. There's the explanation behind why Ellen doesn't get TF'd, the revelation that Ellen was told a different reason, and that Elliot effectively has control over the party, which begs the question as to why it'll happen anyway as we all know it will don't kid yourself that's why I made the sarcastic title for the comic ^^;

    Basically, it reveals some info, and leads into the next comic, which will lead into some very bizarre sequences.

  •  1/12/2005 9:01:08 AM 727563 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    ...bizarre...bizarre is cool...my life could handle some bizarre....

  •  1/12/2005 5:02:27 PM 729021 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    We aren't bizarre enough for you madbob?

    If Grace gets this for her birthday you know Tedd is going to want a party full of FV5 transformations for his.

     

     

  •  1/12/2005 5:11:53 PM 728865 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    Want, yes. Get, no.

    Well, if any of the other characters have a SAY in it...

    Here's the biggest question: why is Tedd so upset about it? Simple transformations wouldn't make him question his feelings for Grace...
  •  1/12/2005 5:48:55 PM 728888 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    maybe he doesn't want to see his cousin as a guy. tho I wonder what sarah or susan might look like as guys.
  •  1/12/2005 6:07:46 PM 729022 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    It does seem strange that Tedd had no problems with any of Grace's forms but would not be able to handle seeing her TF'ed into a guy.  After all, he has seen Grace as a man when the two of them switched bodies. 

    Maybe the idea of seeing Grace as a "manly" man is what he can't handle.  That or the fact that Grace has no problem with casual nudity might result in a naked male Grace running around during the party!  Tedd does think naked guys are nasty, so he may be worried about something like this happening even if it's the farthest thing from Grace's mind. 

    As for jimmyinwhite63's idea, Tedd already thinks of Nanase as his "ugly cousin" so I wouldn't think that's the problem.  Then again, I've been wrong before.

  •  1/12/2005 7:46:33 PM 728712 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    Actually, that just confirms earlier speculations.

    The way I envision a plot is as a pillar. The last comic built a few spikes that allowed for speculating, a loose layer of skree. Some spikes (such as Elliot's answer) were too flimsy to hold any serious speculating. This comic has solidified the skree without providing more spikes or building on old ones. The comic has changed from an intellectual exercise to music; enjoyable to be sure but not as stimulating.

    Of course, all this has been stimulating enough. WHEE!
    Six inches of cute brooding war hero.
  •  1/12/2005 7:49:02 PM 729196 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    ...uh,no. The only one around here who in my worthless opinion really pushes the bizarre envelope is Ryv...but then a faerie could do that easily!

    ...INCOMING!!!!

  •  1/12/2005 8:28:41 PM 729106 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

     

    I've never had a reason to dislike Grace ... until now.

     

    For Grace to demand that attendees at her birthday party must submit to some bizarre requirement is unkind.  I'm sure Emily Post would not approve.

     

    Set aside even what her strange demand is -- sexual transformation with a gun with a history of breaking.  Just to make any extreme requirement is being very impolite to her guests.

     

    And why does Grace have this Nioi-like obsession with making sure that Ellen "adapts" in a certain direction?  Every other psyche in the comic is presumed to have the ability to be TFed, returned to normal, and go on with their lives -- except for Ellen?

     

    I'd never have expected Grace to be such a control freak.

     

    And then not even to have the courtesy to tell Ellen about this to her face, but to concoct a lie as to why she won't be transformed.

     

    Friends like her I can live without.

     

    Let's say Sally throws a birthday party with the absolute requirement that everyone at the party must must must play jump-rope.  Oh, except for her bestest friend Wheelchair Jane, because Jane (ahem) "is excitable and might hyperventilate if she jumps."  Everything about her party would be so rude!

     

    Regardless of what Elliot decides, I know what I'd do if I got an invitation.

     

     

  •  1/12/2005 9:14:43 PM 728713 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

    Oh boy oh boy. So much material here.

    I have never read the word 'demand' in this sequence. Nor 'requirement' or 'necessity'. I have seen 'asked' 'wants' and other things that suggests that she has a theme for her party and wants to carry it through. You see it all the time; parties at resteraunts are going to have certain meal selections, parties on holidays have traditional themes, costume parties, dance parties, outdoor parties, the list goes on. Grace has every right to throw the party she wants to.

    As for Ellen, as I said at 2 AM on the 11th (unrelated forum)

    "Ellen is only a couple of weeks removed from being Elliot at best. Between that and the Nose Beep crisis, there is no need to add more items to her list of identity crisis."

    NO ONE ELSE in the cast is in Ellen's position. No one else has memories from someone else's life. No one else is still carving a place for herself. No one else is suffering from manipulative external influences. Ellen is legitimatly being handled as an emotionally unstable person. We've known her for years but she's less than a month old. This is NOT the time to remind her of what she lost.
    Six inches of cute brooding war hero.
  •  1/12/2005 9:56:21 PM 729108 in reply to 500415

    RE: Story: Jan 12

     

    > I have never read the word 'demand' in this sequence. Nor 'requirement' or 'necessity'. I have seen 'asked' 'wants'

     

    Yes, I'm reading "wants" as "demands" because of the context.  If this was completely voluntary, and any guests who were uncomfortable could opt out, then Tedd would have said so.  Since he does not, we can understand that transformation is a requirement, not an option.

     

    I don't know if that's the Daniverse reason why Tedd is questioning his love for Grace, but I know it would be mine.

     

    > traditional themes, costume parties, dance parties, outdoor parties

     

    A better analogy would be something like requiring that all the guests hang glide.  Maybe some would be enthusiastic and have fun.  But to require those who are fearful or who distrust the equipment to join in would be wrong.

     

    > No one else has memories from someone else's life.

     

    That's just Nioist propaganda.  Her memories are her own, albeit out of the ordinary.

     

    > Ellen is legitimatly being handled as an emotionally unstable person.

     

    Then Grace should either have the decency to tell her that this is why she's the exception, or else she should change her party plan so that they play a game in which Ellen can be included.  That's what a polite hostess would do.

     

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