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What makes evil evil?

Last post 01-20-2006, 2:53 PM by Jellocube. 107 replies.
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  •  6/8/2004 9:55:00 AM 598591 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Karo, do you believe in pure good and evil?
    "We the unwilling, led by the unknowning, have been doing the impossible for the ungrateful. In fact, we have been doing so much with so little for so long, we now believe we can do anything, with nothing, in no time at all."

    "Neither by chance nor destiny."

    Polar Bear. Igloo. Radar. Eggman.

    It’s like crack. Crack that slaps you in the face and calls you a ***. And you like it.
  •  6/8/2004 10:36:00 AM 602225 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Meaning that I believe that certain things are unquestionly good or evil? Yes I do.

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  •  6/8/2004 6:05:00 PM 596671 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Yep, but I don't think that it should be used as an excuse for things.

    For example:

    "Lets kill him!"

    "Why?"

    "Because he's evil!"

    I see it more as a description of an action taken, because saying someone is evil, or someone is good is, in my mind, forgetting that no one exists (at least no one I can think of) on complete opposite sides of the spectrum.  It also seperates people I think.  For example, believing that someone is evil in a way dehumanizes them so that there may be no guilt or mercy when deciding their punishment, and saying someone is good may lead people to over look their dark side. 

  •  6/9/2004 11:13:00 AM 597041 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Yes!

    Actions can be utterly evil, people aren't


    "We the unwilling, led by the unknowning, have been doing the impossible for the ungrateful. In fact, we have been doing so much with so little for so long, we now believe we can do anything, with nothing, in no time at all."

    "Neither by chance nor destiny."

    Polar Bear. Igloo. Radar. Eggman.

    It’s like crack. Crack that slaps you in the face and calls you a ***. And you like it.
  •  6/9/2004 1:16:00 PM 599033 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    But whats evil to one person can be cornflakes to another.
  •  6/9/2004 1:32:00 PM 599392 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Yes! Actions can be utterly evil, people aren't..

    I was mainly talking about actions, not people..

    But whats evil to one person can be cornflakes to another.

    I'm not talking about how it appears to people, I'm talking about in the cosmic sense of things...



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  •  6/9/2004 3:21:00 PM 599034 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    The what?
  •  6/9/2004 6:12:00 PM 602227 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    you know, as in laws of the universe...

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  •  6/10/2004 4:34:00 AM 599036 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Like gravity?
  •  6/10/2004 6:14:00 AM 598130 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Probably some kind of universal moral code, which incidently doesn't exist, however, although I may be wrong, and if I am anyone is welcome to correct me, considering the background of most of the people on the forum, most of their morals will come from a judeo-christain philosophy (after a fashion).  So thats probably a decent practical model


    "We the unwilling, led by the unknowning, have been doing the impossible for the ungrateful. In fact, we have been doing so much with so little for so long, we now believe we can do anything, with nothing, in no time at all."

    "Neither by chance nor destiny."

    Polar Bear. Igloo. Radar. Eggman.

    It’s like crack. Crack that slaps you in the face and calls you a ***. And you like it.
  •  6/10/2004 2:25:00 PM 602230 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    that's kinda what I meant, but I didn't want this to turn into another religous debate thread...

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  •  6/10/2004 6:05:00 PM 599751 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Kind of difficult considering what you asked and the specific answer you want.  Those who aren't religious probably won't agree that there is a cosmic evil and a cosmic good and those that are, for example a christian, would say, "duh, God and Satan" or something like that.  So cosmic good, cosmic evil, I would say I don't believe it there is something out there that is purely evil or purely good, but then again, I know what I have experienced, that is to say, I haven't died and seen the wonders of the universe or anything, if that even happens.

     

  •  6/19/2004 7:36:00 AM 606630 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Evil is probably things that offend you or that you would not want to happen to you. ?

    Well being killed. You wouldnt like that right? Well then killing is evil.

    Child rape. Would you want your child to be raped? Would you want to be raped when you where a child? No right? Yes! Child rape is evil!

    How about torture? People massacre? Lying to your lover? Stealing from people? Dropping an atomic bomb unto innocent civillians? Sleeping with your brothers/sisters wife/husband? Suicide? Snuff movies?

    Its all about your personal moral codes being programmed into you since you have been alive. Bad moral codes.


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  •  6/23/2004 5:27:00 PM 608182 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    Everybody has their own 'truth', there is no 'absolute truth', so any judgement is flawed from the start. There is something that comes up in all debates, and that is extreme cases and/or exceptions to the general rule, which reflects that lack of absolute truth.

    You're right (in my opinion at least, though you need to read some metaphysics), but I don't think you're drawing the right conclusion.  If truth is subjective, then that means that whatever I believe is true is true, and whatever you believe is true is true, even if the two conflict.  But, what if all your life you was taught that life is suffering, and therefore you should kill everybody to free them of that suffering?  That would mean that it is true that you are morally obligated to kill everybody.

    In fact, by your arguement, anything can be either moral or immoral.  It can be moral for me to beat you up.  It can be moral for me to steal.  It can even be more for me to manipulate people for my own personal gain, knowing that it will hurt them.

    When you say that truth is subjective, and therefore so is morality, that doesn't mean that you can ignore extreme situations, it means that anythig can be moral or immoral.  You still have to justify extreme cases within your own moral system.

    I don't think that lying is evil in itelf, as not all can deal with the truth. Lets say a doctor knows his patient has a fatal illness, but informing the patient of this would cause great distress and serve no constructive purpose, whereas a lie would allow the patient a few years of quality life. Is the doctor wrong in holding the truth? Wouldn't it be cruel, thus evil, to tell the truth to his patient?

    Not an easy situation, right? Both sides could be argued here, but IMO all these situations have no universal resolution, and what is right for one person has to be determined specifically.

    If your personal moral system says that you're obligated not to lie, you're still obligated not to lie.  It's still immoral.  It's just that, in your personal moral system, you also feel obligated not to cause somebody emotional distress, so that would also be immoral.  The question is which is more immoral.

    I would describe an evil individual as one who takes pleasure in, or is unmoved by the suffering of others, and activelly seeks to create conditions creating or maintaining that state of suffering. I guess that could be called 'extreme egocentrism', as what we usually consider as 'good' are values like generosity and emphaty.

    That's an evil person in your own personal moral system.  My personal system may say that an evil person is somebody who tries to imperialistically impose their beliefs (like their belief about what makes a person evil) on others.  Or, I may believe that nobody is evil, because morality is subjective.

     

    Edit: Sorry, I can't figure oiut what's wrong with the BBCode, if a mod can fix it, that'd be greatly appreciated.

    As for this Hitler arguement: No, Hitler wasn't evil or immoral.  He might have been by your personal system, but he wasn't by the system of lots of other people, or by his own personal system.

    But, we were justified in attacking him, because that couldn't be immoral either.

  •  7/29/2004 2:06:11 PM 673701 in reply to 498546

    RE: What makes evil evil?

    The reason we attacked Hitler is more to do with the lawlessness of his actions... He was 'responsible' for the deaths of many innocent people. My own personal belief system is that there is no evil, but then my beliefs are based on what I truely feel is right... Bit of a conradiction.

    I can't remember whether I said this or not, but most 'good' actions are characterised through selflessness (white) and 'evil' through selfish actions (black). These should be seen as two halfs of the same whole; one isn't possible without the other. Pleasure can only be defined through suffering (albeit, an absence of it). Well, unless you get off on that kind of thing...

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