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Goblins: Life Through Their Eyes

Last post 08-16-2007, 6:33 AM by Shaddow. 258 replies.
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  •  3/27/2006 12:33:26 PM 771858 in reply to 771855

    Re: Goblins: Life Through Their Eyes

    I hate to say it, but the kid's dead.
    I swear, now you're just doing it to piss me off.
  •  3/27/2006 12:35:55 PM 771859 in reply to 771858

    Re: Goblins: Life Through Their Eyes

    Maybe the paladin is not really a paladin, but a blackguard? (Keep on wishing)
    He gots attitude, fanatism and cool looking armor. I like him (Okay, now I'm dead)


    "Everything is run by women, hence making us men just playtoys and slaves. Dont even think of arquing with them since they can make your life a living hell. In the end there will be no need for us men since women can do it by themselves."
    - Me, just before I got twacked with an aluminium pipe.
  •  3/27/2006 1:33:06 PM 771886 in reply to 771859

    the kid lives

    That kid is totally alive.  No way he died, its too much fun to keep a character like that to let him go.  There's totally gonna be some wicked crazy orb of imprisonment for people like him who the dwarf faces.

    If you remember the comic the dwarf was all like "Its not your fault but I can't let you grow to become sympathetic to the evil".... therefore he just stops him from growing!  Am I right or am I right?


    http://www.ele-mentalfury.com/ - The way comics used to be.
  •  3/27/2006 1:44:29 PM 771889 in reply to 771886

    Re: the kid lives

    Probably wrong... Now this paladin guy really needs to look into the spell "Sanctify the Wicked".  It imprisons the evil person/creature in a gem for a year... During that year they are forced to reflect upon their evil ways and they change.  Once the year is up, they are freed and now of good alignment.  They are permantly good unless otherwise corrupted back into evil via the Mind-rape spell or a cursed item.

    EPSC: She's crazy, lazy and oh-so-lovable!


    "The deific powers I emit will surely burn your retinas!!!"

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  •  3/27/2006 2:27:52 PM 771900 in reply to 771889

    Re: the kid lives

    Ooh, evil Dwarf. I can't believe the Goblins forgot about the two remaining elderly ones, not a very nice way to treat their elderly is it?

    Scratchit: But he's a cripple!
    Blackadder: He's not a cripple, Mrs Scratchit. Occasionally saying "Phew! My leg hurts!" when he remembers to wouldn't fool Baldrick!

  •  3/27/2006 6:49:52 PM 771959 in reply to 771900

    Re: the kid lives

    You know the old saying "I am sure glad my head it attached or it would loose it". Well that goes for Goblins also. Plus they became PC and now the only all consuming thought it to get exp. points.

    H-here, b-bunny, bunny, bunny...


  •  3/28/2006 12:05:09 AM 771988 in reply to 771959

    Re: the kid lives

    The subject of Kore has been discussed and debated thoroughly on the Goblins board, here's what Thunt has to say about it...

    "Okay, since I've been officially invited in, here I go...

    Well, the way I see it, it's hard to say for sure if Kore rushing in and killing the orcs and ogre is an evil act or not. At that point we have no real background for those characters so we don't really know if they're evil or not. Are they relaxing after pillaging a village? Are they hiding because they're good folk who just wanna stay out of everyone's way? We don't know. I hint at the group being at least slightly less than lawful by the way Sticks reacts to Targoth being a dwarf. He also comments on the fact that others in the area might want to hurt Targoth simply because he is a dwarf. But on the other hand, maybe the group is afraid of the chld because dwarves keep doing nasty stuff to them. At this point in the story, I deliberately left it open to go either way. There's just not enough story to know for sure who to root for. Though, it does seem that Hawl and
    Boulder are nice folk, since they both mention how they'd protect Targoth from harm. But again, Hawl does claim to have killed Targoth's Father and we don't know about that either (Hawl's back story will be available soon by donation before it appears in book format). But I'm flip flopping here...

    This storyline fogginess was deliberate. Before Kore's appearance, the comic hadn't taken on any really serious tones. I wanted to take advantage of the fact that no readers knew what to expect or even what direction the comic was going. So I left everyone wondering if this Kore guy was good or not. Was it going to be funny again once he got past the door? Surely the dwarven kid would be safe since he's the same race as Kore and surely a comic as light hearted as this would never kill a child or a main character!

    Kore really starts to come into focus when he kills Hawl. Yes, Hawl is an orc who is in a room with other orcs who, for all the reader knows, are the worst evil doers in the realm, but the guy's last request is to not hurt a child. When Kore kills Hawl, it's a moment designed to make the reader raise an eyebrow and think "now wait a minute, that shouldn't be".

    Targoth's murder is the big moment that the whole situation is leading up to. It's (if I've done my job right) the last thing a reader would expect to happen, and it does a few very important things in the storyline. It shows the reader that Goblins will have very dark moments and that anyone could die at anytime. And it proves that Kore is one nasty dude. His logic is meant to be incredibly flawed. I mean, he's killing a child because he was around creatures he saw as evil, even though he was kidnapped! By this logic, anyone who is kidnapped by evil would have to die. Hell, anyone who says hello to a passing orc would have to die. Kore is shown to be, without a doubt, the villain. That doesn't mean that there isn't still a hell of a lot of mystery there. I mean, everyone kept calling him a paladin. So either he's not a paladin and a lot of folks think he is, or he is a paladin, but there's something that just doesn't fit. Because it's my belief that paladins can't get away with murdering innocent children.

    Now I am by no means a D&D expert when it comes to paladins. Sure, I know all about what it says in the core books. I know those books inside and out. But I really don't know a lot about the optional types of paladins that can be found in various other texts. So there's no way I'm gonna argue about that. SmileI do however, believe that it's difficult to put something as complex as alignment into D&D format. I mean, ask the townsfolk what they think of Farmer John and his alignment, and they'll say that he's lawful good. He feeds the town and doesn't charge the poor folk because they have no money and he even donates his time to help Old Lady Jones with her firewood. But ask the chickens, cows and pigs that he slaughters every night without any sign of ever stopping such bloody carnage and they'll have a different opinion.

    After 24 years of being a DM, I've learned to quietly back away from most alignment arguments.

    Two points I will add about Kore... Firstly, you will never find a funny update about him. Anytime he appears everything will take on a very serious tone. And secondly, I did infact have him completely figured out and written down before I added him to the comic. I'm not making him up as I go. How could I add little clues about him and his situation if I don't know myself? Very Happy

    Alright, my break time is over and I'm going back to draw. Cool

    Thunt"

    As you can see there is no doubt that Kore is an evil bastard and that he did in fact kill the kid... of course that can be figured out by the crossbow bolt firing noise shown in the panel after he says "That Seed... has been placed within you. As a result, you may one day grow to empathize with their evil ways. I cannot allow that risk to exist. All evil, even potential evil, must be eradicated." KATHUNK

  •  3/28/2006 7:19:03 AM 772033 in reply to 771988

    Re: the kid lives

    Told ya I hated him. Super Angry [8o|]
    H-here, b-bunny, bunny, bunny...


  •  3/28/2006 11:35:49 AM 772052 in reply to 772033

    Re: the kid lives

    He's like Robot Santa from Futurama!

    EPSC: She's crazy, lazy and oh-so-lovable!


    "The deific powers I emit will surely burn your retinas!!!"

    EPSC's World of Art!
    GHE Art Department
  •  3/28/2006 11:40:03 AM 772054 in reply to 772052

    Re: the kid lives

    "Thugs blackmailing a shop owner: Very Naugty
    Shop owner not paying them: Just as Naughty"

    hehe, ye that's Kore allright
    I think those 2 old goblins are pretty dead... ever since  Thargot got killed, I got the feeling that there would be grim and dark times in this comic, which Thunt confirmed in that post

    BORK!
  •  3/28/2006 5:51:55 PM 772108 in reply to 772052

    Re: the kid lives

    Evil Princess Sarah Chlyallia:
    He's like Robot Santa from Futurama!


    Dr. Zoidberg is perfectly fine then.

    Scratchit: But he's a cripple!
    Blackadder: He's not a cripple, Mrs Scratchit. Occasionally saying "Phew! My leg hurts!" when he remembers to wouldn't fool Baldrick!

  •  4/3/2006 7:24:10 AM 772896 in reply to 772108

    Re: Kore is back

    Great update! Kore at his most vicious! Cool [H]
  •  4/3/2006 8:16:45 AM 772907 in reply to 772896

    Re: Kore is back

    hehe... tap-tap-tap-tap-tap

    BORK!
  •  4/3/2006 8:30:26 AM 772910 in reply to 772907

    Re: Kore is back

    Pretty brutal episode if you ask me.

    A little dark, but I guess it progresses the plot.  He seems very much like a Darth Vader type character


    If at first you dont succeed, dont try skydiving
    Both diapers and politicians need to be changed--and usually for the same reasons
  •  4/3/2006 10:11:36 AM 772927 in reply to 772910

    Re: Kore is back

    Very brutal episode. I can't wait until Kore gets his comeuppance.

    Scratchit: But he's a cripple!
    Blackadder: He's not a cripple, Mrs Scratchit. Occasionally saying "Phew! My leg hurts!" when he remembers to wouldn't fool Baldrick!

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